Playgrounds are different in Wales

http://www.theatlantic.com/...e-kids-alone/358631/

"The Land is an “adventure playground,” although that term is maybe a little too reminiscent of theme parks to capture the vibe. In the U.K., such playgrounds arose and became popular in the 1940s, as a result of the efforts of Lady Marjory Allen of Hurtwood, a landscape architect and children’s advocate. Allen was disappointed by what she described in a documentary as “asphalt square” playgrounds with “a few pieces of mechanical equipment.” She wanted to design playgrounds with loose parts that kids could move around and manipulate, to create their own makeshift structures. But more important, she wanted to encourage a “free and permissive atmosphere” with as little adult supervision as possible. The idea was that kids should face what to them seem like “really dangerous risks” and then conquer them alone. That, she said, is what builds self-confidence and courage.
The playgrounds were novel, but they were in tune with the cultural expectations of London in the aftermath of World War II. Children who might grow up to fight wars were not shielded from danger; they were expected to meet it with assertiveness and even bravado. Today, these playgrounds are so out of sync with affluent and middle-class parenting norms that when I showed fellow parents back home a video of kids crouched in the dark lighting fires, the most common sentence I heard from them was “This is insane.” (Working-class parents hold at least some of the same ideals, but are generally less controlling—out of necessity, and maybe greater respect for toughness.) That might explain why there are so few adventure playgrounds left around the world, and why a newly established one, such as the Land, feels like an act of defiance.

If a 10-year-old lit a fire at an American playground, someone would call the police and the kid would be taken for counseling. At the Land, spontaneous fires are a frequent occurrence. The park is staffed by professionally trained “playworkers,” who keep a close eye on the kids but don’t intervene all that much. Claire Griffiths, the manager of the Land, describes her job as “loitering with intent.” Although the playworkers almost never stop the kids from what they’re doing, before the playground had even opened they’d filled binders with “risk benefits assessments” for nearly every activity. (In the two years since it opened, no one has been injured outside of the occasional scraped knee.) Here’s the list of benefits for fire: “It can be a social experience to sit around with friends, make friends, to sing songs to dance around, to stare at, it can be a co-operative experience where everyone has jobs. It can be something to experiment with, to take risks, to test its properties, its heat, its power, to re-live our evolutionary past.” The risks? “Burns from fire or fire pit” and “children accidentally burning each other with flaming cardboard or wood.” In this case, the benefits win, because a playworker is always nearby, watching for impending accidents but otherwise letting the children figure out lessons about fire on their own.

“I’m gonna put this cardboard box in the fire,” one of the boys says.
“You know that will make a lot of smoke,” says Griffiths.
“Where there’s smoke, there’s fire,” he answers, and in goes the box."

In before the “What do you call a sheep chained to a pole in a Welsh town?” jokes.

Excellent article - though the playground itself is less interesting to me than the parts about how child rearing has changed in the last few decades. It’s sad how little unstructured time children now have. In the end, I don’t think it’s good for the children, and perhaps even less for their parents, who must now sacrifice every waking moment to supervise their children.

We live in probably the greatest safety that humans have ever experienced, and still are so terrified of everything that we have no appetite for the slightest risk.

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I agree, the second part of the article was more interesting. The first part reminded me of the vacant lot we used to have across the street where I grew up. Only they had more trash in their playground.

I mentioned the article to my wife and her response was, “Just what I need, another article telling me what a terrible mother I am.”

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“It’s sad how little unstructured time children now have.”

Everything now for kids is organized by adults. This is absolutely not good as it stifles kids’ imaginations.

I agree, the second part of the article was more interesting. The first part reminded me of the vacant lot we used to have across the street where I grew up. Only they had more trash in their playground.

I mentioned the article to my wife and her response was, “Just what I need, another article telling me what a terrible mother I am.”

To bad she is unwilling to learn and thinking about changing her ways.

I thought it was a great article.

Have been surprised raising my kids, how they could never find friends to go ride bikes / ripsticks etc with. My oldest really did not cut free to she got her license. (Great time to go exploring and risk taking for the first time in your life :0 )
At least my 2nd kid found kids who had similar minded parents and in the summer she is gone most of the day.

Of course i am convinced lots of parents think we are terrible parents for the risks we let our kids take, like walking the 20 houses to the bus stop at 6am when they are in 8th grade. Of course those parents still meet their kid at the bus stop and are greeted with a back pack thrown at them that they dutifully carry for their son.

Have already started seeing the ramifications of this in the work place, the new hires are amazingly odd, they fit in with people 10-20 yrs older than them. But task them to do something alone or try to get them to take a risk doesn’t happen. Have wondered about this for a while, now wonder if it is not tied to this type of parenting.

sounds like a half-step away from Hunger Games
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It’s sad how little unstructured time children now have.

Do you not have video games where you are? Seriously every kid I know spends more time playing video games, BY FAR, then they do in “Structured time”. There are kids out there who’s parents have then going every waking hour of the day, but most have a few activities they do and the rest is “Video game time”.

We live in probably the greatest safety that humans have ever experienced, and still are so terrified of everything that we have no appetite for the slightest risk.

I think this is more of a result of smaller families then anything else. Like my brother says, “One for an Heir, one for a spare, the rest, don’t care” :slight_smile: If you only have one or two kids, which is becoming more and more common, you’re going to be more cautious with them.

That being said I’m often shocked at how protective some parents are. I’m definately more protective then my parents where, but let my kids do anything, well almost anything, I would have done as a kid, I just am around to “Guide” them so they can do it a tad more safely. If the kid wants to make a cannon, ok, let me help you so you don’t blow yourself up. When I was a kid my parents didn’t even know we were making cannons, bombs, etc.

~Matt

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but let my kids do anything, well almost anything, I would have done as a kid, I just am around to “Guide” them so they can do it a tad more safely. If the kid wants to make a cannon, ok, let me help you so you don’t blow yourself up. When I was a kid my parents didn’t even know we were making cannons, bombs, etc.

~Matt

And the point is… you didn’t blow yourself up. Let the kid build the cannon.

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We live in probably the greatest safety that humans have ever experienced, and still are so terrified of everything that we have no appetite for the slightest risk.

I think you could make a strong case that fear has become our defining trait and the driving force behind most of what we do.

And the point is… you didn’t blow yourself up.

Uhhh, yes we did at least twice…and set ourselves on fire, blew a hole in wall, destroyed a tool box, blew all the lights out of the shop, shrapnel in the door and on and on. I’m all for doing all this stuff, but doing it with some level of knowledge and adult level of safety is a much better way to go.

The fact I’m alive today has much more to do with luck then it does with “Hey it’s perfectly safe and it will come out just fine, quite being over protective”.

~Matt


I think this is great. My sisters kids are about 11 going on 12 and their lives do not look any fun to me. The idea of riding around on their bikes around the neighborhood without supervision is completely foreign to them. I mentioned this once and I got the answer, “things are not like they were when we were kids.” all I thought was, yeah it is a lot safer now and less to worry about.
It is like a lot of parents have sanitized growing up to the point they have taken away some of the most exciting parts. Consequently, I think they grow up to be more fearful and less likely to be innovative in some respects–mainly that they are always waiting for permission to do something and need ridiculous amounts of detailed instruction. Many are paralyzed by the idea of doing something wrong, so many don’t do anything at all.

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The world has gone completely fucking bonkers

http://www.wptv.com/news/national/razor-blades-found-on-playground-equipment-at-millennium-park-in-east-moline
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When I was a kid they started the “X-ray your candy” phase during Halloween. We had the poison Tylenol and John Wayne Gacy. The world has ALWAYS been completely fucking bonkers. Fact is however that crime of almost all types is lower today then it has been in the last 40-50 years.

~Matt

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Gluing razor blades to the playground bars takes the insanity notch up just a little. I do agree though, the world hasn’t changed, just the way we get our information

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Gluing razor blades to the playground bars takes the insanity notch up just a little.

You think? More insane then hiding pins and razor blades in Halloween candy? Clearly both are freakin’ nuts and send shivers down my spine, but the idea of a five year old swallowing a needle or razor blade or chomping down on one has GOT to be worse then getting your hand sliced.

I do agree though, the world hasn’t changed, just the way we get our information

No question. 40 years ago this is a local story, maybe not even published in the paper and becomes a rumor that gets no further then the local area. Today this happens on various levels once a week across the country and everyone story is instantly available to the whole country. Instead of being exposed to a story like this once or twice in your life we are exposed several times a month.

~Matt

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Gluing razor blades to the playground bars takes the insanity notch up just a little.

You think? More insane then hiding pins and razor blades in Halloween candy? Clearly both are freakin’ nuts and send shivers down my spine, but the idea of a five year old swallowing a needle or razor blade or chomping down on one has GOT to be worse then getting your hand sliced.

I do agree though, the world hasn’t changed, just the way we get our information

No question. 40 years ago this is a local story, maybe not even published in the paper and becomes a rumor that gets no further then the local area. Today this happens on various levels once a week across the country and everyone story is instantly available to the whole country. Instead of being exposed to a story like this once or twice in your life we are exposed several times a month.

~Matt

Both are equally disturbing.

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