Reposting the 10hr Question

Okay, so fair to say I am embarrassed and embarrassed myself. A few posts below are a stupid post which I got hastey on and deleted…

So I am rephrasing this. It is impossible for me to go sub-10, I see that now.

What is a goal I SHOULD look at, knowing that my swimming ability is low, riding ability is above average (long distance included - Feel confident I could be 34km/h average for the race) and run level I am confident I can get to a good place.

I don’t want to demotivate myself, set goals that are too low, or too unrealistic but I want to get the best set of aims for myself.

Help me please!

Do some of your own time trials and go from there. Based on the info that you have given…it would be impossible for anyone to give you anything helpful other than do some trials.

Do you possess raw speed?

learn to set process goal instead of outcome goals. You will get faster and enjoy the training much more.

outcome goal have very little value…

commit to a plan…stick to it…and see how good you can get…

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learn to set process goal instead of outcome goals. You will get faster and enjoy the training much more.

outcome goal have very little value…

commit to a plan…stick to it…and see how good you can get…

Good advice, thats definitely in the works. Guess i need that coach back in australia

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It’s hard to help not knowing anything to go off of.

What’s your base fitness level now? Why is 10hr the magic number for you? What have you done in the past or currently that makes you think it’s an attainable number? I’m not saying that it’s not we just are lacking key bits of info to know where you are at currently…

Earlier you stated you plan on only doing 2 sessions on the bike a week. Swim 5 and run 3… That sounds like a recipe for disaster to me personally but without knowing anything about your current fitness and performance it’s hard to give any fair advice…

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That’s true, sorry about that.

Well swimming I would have no idea on where I could sit, coming from a low fitness base (can swim 500m continuously) not sure what a total time for this should be within 11 months of training.

Cycling is a high fitness base, easily maintaining 30-35km/h for a century ride. That is consistent before bursts.

Running is at about 5minutes/km for 10km or a bit more, so probably a low fitness base for that as well?

10hr isn’t a magic number for me, it was more of a ‘throw it out there, see what I should do’ kind of comment. I am going to be ecstaic finishing but I want to set an aim above so I can train hard for something above just surviving or finishing.

This was for the first few months, I want to get my swimming up the most out of everything then I was planning on changing things around, is there another way that I can look at that training amount that would be better?

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If you are running 5m/km (i.e. a 8:03/mile pace for 10km) you have a long way to go before you are even close to a 10 hour IM, especially if you can only swim 500 yards at a time. Also the pace you suggest for the bike, was that a solo century, or with a group? Approx 21mph for a group century ride is really not particularly fast.

Having never raced a 70.3, I would suggest you focus on building the fitness needed to finish an IM, rather then a specific time. I went 4:55 for my 2nd 70.3 (2013, on limited training) and will be racing my first IM this year. I’ve set some goals, but they really focus on putting together a good race and letting the chips fall where to may time wise. The main focus is getting a proper volume of training in (going from 4.25 hours per week last year to 13+ hours per week average, 19-20 hours max this year). I could go as low as 9:50’s if I have a perfect race under perfect conditions to making sure I simply finishing if everything falls apart.

As others have stated, focus on the inputs because those are the things you can control.

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The swim will definitely be the biggest challenge for me, no doubt about it.

The bike is solo ride, on the flats with a group is easily so much quicker.

I’ll take that, the time is off my head, well as a written aim, I’ll see what a coach thinks I should aim for (aim then set the training goals to try and reach it)

learn to set process goal instead of outcome goals. You will get faster and enjoy the training much more.

outcome goal have very little value…

commit to a plan…stick to it…and see how good you can get…
This man speaks the truth! Also, learn to pace effectively on the bike so you can finish with a strong run, and most importantly develop a nutritional strategy that works for you.

That’s true, sorry about that.

Well swimming I would have no idea on where I could sit, coming from a low fitness base (can swim 500m continuously) not sure what a total time for this should be within 11 months of training.

Cycling is a high fitness base, easily maintaining 30-35km/h for a century ride. That is consistent before bursts.

Running is at about 5minutes/km for 10km or a bit more, so probably a low fitness base for that as well?

10hr isn’t a magic number for me, it was more of a ‘throw it out there, see what I should do’ kind of comment. I am going to be ecstaic finishing but I want to set an aim above so I can train hard for something above just surviving or finishing.

This was for the first few months, I want to get my swimming up the most out of everything then I was planning on changing things around, is there another way that I can look at that training amount that would be better?

Well for starters I would definitely taper off of the 10hr mark.

If you can currently only swim 500m your goal already sounds out of reach.

30-35km/h is a huge difference in speed as well. Over the course of an ironman distance that’s an almost an hour time difference. Keep in mind you’re not legally allowed to draft in an ironman event.

Your running is not terribly bad. McMillan calculator would put you slightly below a 4hr stand alone marathon.

With all that said you have nearly a year to improve but 10hr seems very unrealistic IMO…

You obviously need to build your swim just to be able to reach iron distance. Consider joining a local masters swim program to help bolster your swim. But based solely off the fact your limited to 500m now your goal time is ridiculously unrealistic.

In your case swimming will have to be primary focus indeed however cycling two days a week seems to be quite a stretch. I would say a minimum of 3 sessions a week is necessary. The bike leg is the longest portion of the event and were you will spend the most of your day so why would you allow yourself to be at a disadvantage by training there the least? Not every ride has to be a long ride either. Fit a couple indoor sessions. Even if it’s only an hour it’s still makes a difference.

Have you ever ran a marathon or half before? It’s not fair to assume a time based off a 10k… You will have to build a strong base of miles as well. This may be hard to do if you limit yourself.

In the end you really need to take a step back and temper your expectations. Set monthly attainable modest goals and improve from there. Setting some arbitrary number of a 10hr race time which seems highly unlikely based off your current fitness state will make you miserable. It’s an accomplishment to just finish. Train smart and worry about completing it the first time. Use that experience to learn where you can improve. Enjoy the journey don’t let it ruin you!

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Fair to say I got to excited over times this weekend :slight_smile: No hate guys? I like to dream!

I will go back to an around 13 aim, but will train my ass off for a dream!

I haven’t run a half marathon before but I intend to in the coming months to get a time out of it. I will also aim to do a HIM at the end of the year before I need to start tapering and so forth.

Thanks :slight_smile: Will work on the race and training and finishing. At least I am getting an indication of what people are thinking.

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I would set no goal right now. Start a training plan, set your heart rate and power zones and there you go.
Train for the shape you are in, not what you want.

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Okay okay, no big end goals other than finishing!

No power meter though, I know they are worthwhile, just don’t want to spend on it yet.

On a related training note,

Doing a HIM will be helpful to my goal of the Iron Man? There is one on mid November and the IM is 22nd of March. How close to the Melbourne IM should I stop doing other events?

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“Okay okay, no big end goals other than finishing!”

I think you didn’t understand jonnyos post of process vs. results. Your goal should be to train as efficiently as possible for your race. This means setting up a training plan that has realistic milestones and goals which get progressively more challenging as you improve. If you achieve that goal, the race time that results, whatever it is, ought to be satisfying to you. Maybe a 13 hr race is out of reach, but maybe it is way too slow. Maybe conditions on race day will be terrible and a time you could have achieved under normal conditions will be unattainable.

http://www.xtri.com/all-articles/detail/284-itemId.511709161.html

learn to set process goal instead of outcome goals. You will get faster and enjoy the training much more.

outcome goal have very little value…

commit to a plan…stick to it…and see how good you can get…

Seconding this, from the perspective of a newbie.

I started with great ideas and plans, but over the last few months I’ve learned to ignore them. There’s no way to predict where my fitness will be towards the end of the season since there’s too many variables. Instead, I focus on it week-to-week and the results will take care of themselves.

Work hard every day, every week and every month and you’ll finish where you finish.

Note: it took me about 2 months of solid training to come to this conclusion. :slight_smile:

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yeah that makes sense.

I was always planning on evaluating as I want and pushing myself through training. I couldn’t do anything less :slight_smile:

I’ll probably learn a lot more in the coming months, look back and laugh at myself for being pig headed. This is going to be a hell of a journey

Instead of setting a goal of 10hrs, just look at your schedule and set up a strong plan that you can tackle (realistically) and do it.

There really isn’t a plan in IM for someone to go 9hours/10hours/11hours, well maybe 16hours…just do the bare minimum.

I just saw this, don’t do a marathon while training. There will be no value in it for your ironman goals. A half maybe 2 months before.
You should get a good book before starting. Don Fink’s Iron Fit lays it all out pretty clearly.