Swim lesson from former olympian, eye opener

So I had a swim lesson Friday from a guy who was on the Olympic swim team in the early 80s It was an eye opener for sure. After only an hour, I dropped my strokes per length from 21 to 16. His advice was a little surprising to me but very effective. He had me using much more rotation, using a modified catchup style, and gliding more. My kick needs a lot of work but that is for another lesson. He was giving me tips straight out of the Total Immersion method. Now he does not coach swimmers using that method, but some of the concepts like body position, pressing the buoy, keeping hands extended close to the surface after entry, really helped me. I felt like I was puling more water by keeping my hand very close to the surface and reaching like I was trying to touch the wall, and it helped me keep my elbow up higher. I was able to swim a few 50s at 47 seconds with very little effort, just concentrating on good form, reach, rotation, etc. For me at an easy effort that pace is very good.

When he watched me swim my usual way, it was clear that I was swimming very flat in the water, starting my pull too quickly, and just flailing my arms with too much effort but not going anywhere. I realize the goal is not to take the least amount of strokes, but I was starting to use 5 less strokes per 25 yards with less effort, and at the same pace.

It struck me after the lesson that whenever I watch the fast swimmers in masters workouts, they swim like I was swimming after the lesson, obviously much faster and smoother, but I never see the fast people flailing their arms and taking 21-25 strokes per length. They always make it look easy and smooth. Friday was the first time I felt like I was swimming smoothly. When I concentrated on extending, reaching and rotating, it was also easier to keep my elbows high on the recovery, with a “limp” lower arm, which corrected my crossover problem. When I close my eyes and try to swim a 25, I end up drifting to the right and hitting the lane rope after only a few strokes. When I tried it yesterday focusing on proper rotation, guess what? I made it the entire 25 straight on the black line with eyes closed. Never could do that before.

I’ll report back after a few more lessons, but this guy is not only a former olympian, and btw holds national masters records, he knows how to teach.

As a long time TI swimmer, I have often felt that TIs focus on reducing SPLs was a little misguided. This report puts things in a better perspective. If you improve your swim technique then automatically your SPL will improve. SPL improvement is only one measure of technique improvement, it happens automatically and in my opinion should only be measured to see if your technique has improved. SPL specific improvement should not be the goal, overall technique improvement that yields “more speed with less energy” should be the “Holy Grail” of swimming.

Great report. Looking forward to the next one.

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Looking forward to the second lesson. I can’t seem to kick in sync with my stroke, so I need major help with that.

The length he gets on each stroke is incredible. I have not seen a swimmer of that caliber up close before. Amazing to watch. His kick looked like he had a propeller on his feet. That alone was worth the price of the lesson.

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Looking forward to the second lesson. I can’t seem to kick in sync with my stroke, so I need major help with that. The length he gets on each stroke is incredible. I have not seen a swimmer of that caliber up close before. Amazing to watch. His kick looked like he had a propeller on his feet. That alone was worth the price of the lesson.

Yep, guys of his caliber can easily swim 10-12 spl and be going 1:12/100 yd (slow warm-up pace for them), even if they haven’t swum in a couple of years. I saw Mel Stewart (gold in 200 fly and 4 x 200 free relay at '92 oly) swim the 1000 free in a dual meet back around '91-ish. I happened to be sitting right behind his lane and just 3 rows up, so I was maybe 20 ft behind the blocks. Stewart took 10 spl most of the 1000 (after the first 50) and swam a 9:10, i.e. 55/100 yd. The guy wasn’t even trying hard, just cruising. This was in January so he was not rested or tapered at all, just another average swim in workout.

I love watching top caliber swimmers train. Every so often one will show up at my pool and I just watch in amazement:)

Awesome! I’m glad you found a good teacher.

Congrats.

My favorite part of swimming is that you can have a big breakthrough like that and you’re instantly faster. That doesn’t happen with running and cycling.

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Good for you… I spent many workouts with guys at that level…

I’m going to throw this contrarian view out there just so you know there are a few schools of thought on pool swimming vs. OWS.

Distance Per Stroke: Why is it not effective? by Helle Frederikson: http://www.hellefrederiksen.com/...er-stroke-effective/

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I thought of that, but the coach also teaches triathlon swim clinics and ows clinics. He is also an open water marathon swimmer, completing several crazy distance swims in rivers, oceans, etc. I have to trust he knows what he is doing.

It will be interesting to see what comes out of the next few lessons.

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Nice report. It’s neat to see how much a little time with someone who knows what to look for AND can give you that instant feedback can help your stroke. That’s what those of us who grew up swimming with a club got every day. What you’ve started to realize is that swimming is all about efficiency and smoothness. Remember, you are displacing your body weight in water for every bodylength you move forward, so a lot of the battle is to displace that water the minimum distance possible and make that body length as long as possible. Our coach used to tell us not to fight the water, it’s bigger than us and doesn’t get tired.

Just want to nitpick a little here though. Those tips aren’t really straight out of TI, they’ve been fundamentals of swimming for a really long time. TI does teach a lot of really good things, just that they also teach some other things that ultimately limit a lot of people. Seems like your coach knows what he’s doing to avoid the stuff that will limit.

BTW, who’s your coach?

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I thought of that, but the coach also teaches triathlon swim clinics and ows clinics. He is also an open water marathon swimmer, completing several crazy distance swims in rivers, oceans, etc. I have to trust he knows what he is doing.

It will be interesting to see what comes out of the next few lessons.

Good deal.

Personally, I think the truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

He knows Terry Loughlin quite well and definitely agrees with a lot of the concepts of TI. However, he has no intention of teaching me all of the principals of TI so I end up looking fluid but swimming slowly. His name is Jeff Stuart. He holds a few masters records for distance events and I believe also held a few world records back in the mid 90s. Best lesson I have ever had.

The real challenge for me going forward is how to incorporate his advice into my masters workouts. Yesterday I started out well in masters but halfway thru I was exhausted and my form deteriorated right back to my old style of swimming. I’m not sure how to handle swimming masters while learning a more efficient stroke. I may have to shorten the intervals to keep good form or skip intervals to make sure I am swimming with good technique.

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I’m not sure how to handle swimming masters while learning a more efficient stroke. I may have to shorten the intervals to keep good form or skip intervals to make sure I am swimming with good technique.

That’s the trick, right there. Initially, I’d say if you are struggling to hold form then it’s OK to skip intervals, slap on a pull buoy if that helps you, or even throw on a set of fins to help you make the interval. But there will come a time that the best thing to do is to struggle through the interval and just hold form as well as you can, because you need to learn how to hold it even when you are tired, and build strength in those muscles that you haven’t been using so far.

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I just googled Jeff Stuart, I was wondering why I hadn’t heard of him. Come to find out that he was an olympian in the boycott year. That would have really sucked.

Be wary of advice that suggests “either/or” when it comes to tempo vs distance per stroke. They are equal participants in creating that thing called speed.

I read the article by the Danish triathlete, and frankly found it not very persuasive. Reword it as an article on cycling where the writer says “cadence is everything, here is why gear doesn’t work and doesn’t matter.” That’s essentially the argument. I don’t actually think she believes it, but feels compelled to exaggerate it as appropriate push back against the “Distance Per Stroke over all” crowd. Funny thing is, I don’t know who that crowd is. Gerry Rodrigues cites unnamed DPS advocates (as well as 90 degree rotation advocates, of whom I don’t know any); so does Paul Newsome of Swim Smooth. They are two thoughtful coaches who have a lot to offer, and generally give good advice. But they consistently invent straw men to knock them down, and their corrective narratives tend to lead to “either/or” debates. Not helpful.

I’ve known Terry Laughlin, the founder of Total Immersion, for 17 years and he’s never advocated “the lowest stroke count” over everything else. In fact, Total Immersion was probably the first and most public proponent of using tempo trainers to precisely monitor stroke rate.

Pick up a Finis Tempo Trainer and establish stroke count “matches” at various tempos. You said you’ve managed some consistent swims of 16 strokes per length. Play around with the TT and see which tempo corresponds to a 16 stroke length. Let’s say it’s a stroke every 1.20 seconds. Here are two strategies you could use in practice that would help you convert your developing skills into permanent ones. They are things you can simply add in as enhancements to whatever particular sets your masters coach prescribes:

  1. Increase repeat distances while maintaining a consistent stroke count + TT combination. Can you do 200 yards sustaining 16 strokes at a 1:20 TT? 400? 1000? It doesn’t have to be at your lowest stroke count–you could certainly pick the tempo that corresponds to 18 strokes.

  2. Increase tempo incrementally with an eye on sustaining your best stroke count at each tempo. This is basically optimizing the combination of the two ingredients that create speed. So you might get a set that looks something like this:

12 x 100 on 2 minute send off
Start at 1:20 TT setting and lower the setting by :03 per 100 (1:20, 1:17, 1:14, 1:11, etc…down to 0:91)

That final tempo is a pretty decent clip, and I think you will find it difficult to manage your form consistently well near the end of the set. Don’t despair if you have a stroke count range of 16 strokes at 1:20 and end up at 22 strokes at 0:91–it is expected that you will have a functional stroke count variance of 5-6 strokes depending on the tempo at which you are swimming.

I would add in one more metric and check your heart rate. Certain tempo and stroke count combinations will generate faster swimming speeds, but perhaps unsustainable ones. It might be great if at some point you knock out a 1:14 100 swim at a 0:80 TT and 21 strokes per length, but if your heart rate is 158 it’s not a combination with much of a shelf life.

What does “managing your form well” mean?

As tempo increases you will see periodic increases in stroke count. You may hold 16 strokes at 1:20 and 1:17, and then find that you take 17 strokes at 1:13, 18 strokes at 1:09, 18 strokes at 1:05, 19 strokes at 1:01, etc. Those would be reasonable stroke counts. If you saw a bump of 2-3 strokes per 25 I would consider that a red flag. There is some merit to struggling a little on the cusp of breakdown, but I think you’re only sending your body conflicting signals about proper mechanics if you do that as a sizable portion of your swimming minutes.

I would not be concerned with ‘making the intervals’ because the interval only exists to elicit a specific swimming speed from the athletes. You are employing a stroke count and TT combination that essentially determines your swimming speed. If you take 16 strokes at a 1:20 tempo, your surface swimming speed for each length is 16 x 1.2 or 19.2 seconds. Factor in a 2 second push off, and maybe a 1.5 second turn and you’re swimming your 100s at around 1 minute 29 seconds. You don’t need to ‘swim faster,’ you need to sustain your best combination. It will be hard work to do this, and the degree of focus and execution required as fatigue sets in is not for the faint of heart or weak of mind. Focus on what you DO to create speed, rather than beat the clock. The clock will only say what your actions have made it say.

Most masters coaches are happy to have warm, dues paying bodies in the water. I doubt you will be disciplined or asked to leave if you opt for a lighter workload in these more formative stages of your new mechanics.

As you play with the technical corrections your coach has suggested you may find that you knock off a stroke here or there. One of my masters swimmers (60+ yrs old, repeats 100s on 1:40 send off usually holding mid 1:20s) recently adjusted how closely he sweeps his stroke to his torso; his stroke was a bit deep and straight through the back. He instantly dropped one stroke per length, because the new leveraging position was more effective than the old one. It wasn’t a circus trick or excessive coasting and gliding. Sounds like you’re getting good advice.

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I’m not sure how to handle swimming masters while learning a more efficient stroke. I may have to shorten the intervals to keep good form or skip intervals to make sure I am swimming with good technique.

That’s the trick, right there. Initially, I’d say if you are struggling to hold form then it’s OK to skip intervals, slap on a pull buoy if that helps you, or even throw on a set of fins to help you make the interval. But there will come a time that the best thing to do is to struggle through the interval and just hold form as well as you can, because you need to learn how to hold it even when you are tired, and build strength in those muscles that you haven’t been using so far.

** and build strength in those muscles that you haven’t been using so far.----**This statement is wrong but we understand what should have been stated.

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I’m not sure how to handle swimming masters while learning a more efficient stroke. I may have to shorten the intervals to keep good form or skip intervals to make sure I am swimming with good technique.

That’s the trick, right there. Initially, I’d say if you are struggling to hold form then it’s OK to skip intervals, slap on a pull buoy if that helps you, or even throw on a set of fins to help you make the interval. But there will come a time that the best thing to do is to struggle through the interval and just hold form as well as you can, because you need to learn how to hold it even when you are tired, and build strength in those muscles that you haven’t been using so far.

**and build strength in those muscles that you haven’t been using so far.----**This statement is wrong but we understand what should have been stated.

Technically yes. I chose to make a highly simplified statement, because getting into the more precise details of what happens is far more wordy and doesn’t actually add anything to the discussion. Much like Newtonian physics, sometimes what people say is close enough to the truth for practical purposes, even though in the strictest sense Newtonian physics is wrong.

His name is Jeff Stuart.

He went to the 80 trials but I don’t think he placed higher than 8th in the 100 Fly. Not that there is anything wrong with that it just wouldn’t have meant a trip to Moscow without the boycott.

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Sounds just like my story last year except my instructor was a D1 guy that could coach as well as he could swim. I was fighting the water and he got me longer and with less effort, 3 weeks later I did a sprint and came out of the water 1 1/2 minutes faster than the previous year and didn’t feel like I was going to pass out from the effort. Course from previous year certainly may have been different but my energy level out of the water was night and day. Also once I got the stroke down after 6 months I find if I take a small break of a week or 2 out of the water it doesn’t deteriorate my base nearly as much.

Yeah, that is exactly right. he got 8th in the 100 fly. FYI there was an international meet in Hawaii for the boycott team. But lots of guys chose not to go so spots rolled down pretty far. Over time the swimmers who participated in that meet have been referred to as the ones who would/should have been at the Olympics. Of course it is doubtful that those spots would have rolled down had the actual Olympic games been on the line.

Oh and I have no idea if this guy participated in the Hawaii meet. But it is possible.

Swimming at that time was very political. First South Africa wasn’t allowed to compete at the big meets and they had a few of the best swimmers in the world. Second, the 4 x 100 relay was canceled for a few years because the international community was tired of seeing the US win. I had a training partner who got hosed out of the 76 games over that (Schatz)

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